Mayor simultaneously pumps brakes, doubles down on Sulphur Dell

Mayor Karl Dean simultaneously managed expectations and doubled down on his desire to put a new baseball stadium in North Nashville today.

At a courthouse press conference, the mayor confirmed reports from The Tennessean that Metro is pursuing a return to "baseball's historic home in North Nashville," before taking a big pause and emphasizing a crucial conjunctive adverb.

"However," he said. "We are still early in the process."

Dean confirmed the city is exploring the acquisition of state-owned and private land on Jackson between Third and Fifth avenues north, but repeatedly said few details beyond what had already been reported would be forthcoming in the short term.

The crucial question — how the reported $80 million project, including a $40 million stadium — will be paid for went unanswered, beyond Dean's statement that "the deal would have to make sense for the taxpayers."

"We are committed to moving forward only if it makes economic sense," he said.

But, crucially, the mayor did say, at least during his time left in office, there would be a new park in Sulphur Dell or there'd be no new park at all, quashing once and for all any hopes of a stadium at the old Thermal Plant site in SoBro or at the foot of the Korean Veterans Bridge on the East Bank. The former was all-but a done deal in 2008 and the latter was briefly considered a frontrunner as late as last year.

Indeed, the Sounds — and even former Nashville Vols who actually played at the original Sulphur Dell — were on the record, in the past, as being unenthused about the prospect of moving to North Nashville.

Sticking with the theme that all of this is very early — the mayor wouldn't commit to any "hard timeline" on the project — Dean said at some point the area's neighborhood associations would be brought into the discussion, though he said "this is a project for the whole city."

That notwithstanding, At-Large Councilman Jerry Maynard said the relocation of the Nashville Sounds was another positive step for North Nashville.

"Three years ago, we we were working with the mayor and talking about having economic development in North Nashville, north of Broadway. But this is a step process. First of all we did the 28th Avenue Connector, millions of dollars in investment. Look at Jefferson Street. Without the mayor, we would not have gotten that $3 million in grant money to clean up Jefferson Street," Maynard said. "The Sounds were not going to come to North Nashville had we not made the investments on Jefferson Street, Hope Gardens, with Germantown, all of those investments going on there. The Sounds were not coming. And so with all these investments and with the economic growth taking place because of the leadership of the mayor and the council, now the Sounds have agreed to come. And so you have to give credit to the mayor. But we've been working closely with him for the last four years."

One little bit of news, though not unexpected: Toby Compton, executive director of the Sports Authority, was in attendance, all but confirming the new stadium would be part of the authority's bailiwick. Greer Stadium is administered as part of the Metro Parks Department.

Aug 23, 2013 12:00 PM

What your $40 million might get you

If indeed the mayor's supposed plan to build the Nashville Sounds a stadium in Sulphur Dell comes closer to fruition, we'll get an idea of what, exactly, the $40 million stadium will look like.

For now, all we've got is speculation and comparison.

Let's take a look at what's been happening with minor-league parks around the country.

Given its proximity and its growing threat to our Itness, plenty of folks are asking what it would take for Nashville to mimic Memphis' AutoZone Park, considered one of minor-league baseball's best. Unfortunately, the Memphis Redbirds are sui generis, owned by the nonprofit Memphis Redbirds Foundation, which bought the team from a previous owner, which issued massive amount of debt to build the stadium. (Here's a good run down from the Memphis Business Journal.) In any event, AutoZone Park cost more than $80 million to build in 1998 — inflation-adjusted to $107 million. It was built to "major league" specifications and seats more than 14,000 people. It is not really comparable to what could happen here.

Nor should Nashville look to Columbus, Ohio, where the Clippers play in 2009's Ballpark of the Year, Huntington Park, a $70 million project that seats more than 10,000. Similarly, Birmingham's new Regions Field came in with a $64 million price tag.

In fact, in the last decade or so most every ballpark built in the $40 million range has been at the AA level.

One exception is from a fellow PCL team. The Omaha Storm Chasers' Werner Park, which opened in 2011, was built for $36 million ($36.7 million in 2013 dollars):


The park seats more than 9,000 — though 3,000 of that is on a grass berm in the outfield. The beyond-the-fences area also includes a carousel, basketball court and whiffleball fields. Native Nebraska limestone chunks serve as benches on the concourse and as amphitheater seating in the outfield. The two-story suite section is decked in glass and wood-paneling.

Down in AA, The Baseball Grounds of Jacksonville, home to the Southern League's Suns, opened in 2003 with a $34 million price tag, $42 million in today's dollars:


The park is the largest in AA, seating 6,000 in stadium seats with space for roughly 5,000 more on berm seating (near the lower right hand side of the photo above) and in bleachers. Built around a desanctified 115-year-old church, the park is decked out in brick, tucked between the city's football stadium and its arena. The stands are almost completely roofed (which, as anyone who visits Florida's First Coast can attest, is a must because of the area's propensity for pop-up storms) and if you look closely at the center field fence (a whopping 420 feet from home, by the way) you can see that a section of it is chain-linked for a field-level view of the action).

Over in the Texas League, the Arkansas Travelers play at the $40.4 million ($44.7 million in today's dollars) Dickey-Stephens Park in North Little Rock:


Sitting at the foot of a bridge and offering cross-river views of downtown Little Rock, the park seats nearly 5,300 with room for 2,500 more on the outfield berms. (Sense a theme?) North Little Rock was a railroad town and the design of Dickey-Stephens emphasizes that, as noted by, which named the park its best in its debut year of 2007. It also has an old-style organ, right on the concourse!

Finally, there's ONEOK Field in Tulsa. The Drillers began play at the $39.2 million ($41.3 million infaltion-adjusted) stadium in 2010. Designed by Populous, the sports-architecture giants that did Nashville's ballpark location study, it is tucked into Tulsa's urban center. Previously, the Drillers played near the city's fairgrounds.


Sitting in the city's Greenwood District, ONEOK mimics the art-deco architecture of its neighborhood, a historically African-American center of commerce that was also the location of the eponymous Greenwood Riots, one of the worst race riots it American history. It seats 7,833 and is part of a broader development plan for the area, which totals roughly $60 million all told. The park includes several higher-end restaurants, a playground, lots of grass seating and some of the closest-to-the-action seating in minor-league baseball. Unusually, a lot of the metal used isn't the typical steel, but zinc. Also, the ballpark had an usual (and frankly, controversial) financing plan. From BaseballParks:

Like most cities, Tulsa didn't have a lot of extra money, so an unusual arrangement was devised to pay for the $60 million project. $30 million would come from private donations (that were solicited based on the premise that the the park would spur economic development downtown), $5 million from the Drillers' lease and the remainder from a very controversial assessment fee imposed on downtown property owners. Those business owners were none too pleased with these new fees, which the city insisted wasn't a tax. Helping to ease the situation during the tough economic times of recent years, a $25 million revenue bond was acquired from the Tulsa Stadium Trust, which was set up to own and operate the ballpark, by the Tulsa Community Foundation. This bond will be repaid as downtown businesses pay the annual assessments over time.

Given the trends and the cost, we can expect a 7,000- to 8,000-seat stadium (the Populous study, in its 204-page glory, can be found here and projected 8,400 seats), with perhaps extra room on the berms. That could be close to the 11,000 projected for the proposed "First Tennessee Field" at the Thermal Plant site. It'd be easy to compare Nashville's situation with Tulsa — moving from an aging mammoth to a cozier confine closer to the city — and its not a bad place to look. Don't hold your breath for $30 million in "private donations," though the talking points in the last 18 hours or so have been that the Sounds will foot a "significant" portion of the stadium price tag.

A caveat on costs: the cost of the Music City Center dropped because labor and materials were cheaper as the project was built in a down economy. That's unusual enough to be noteworthy, as large civic projects almost never come in cheaper or, frankly, even near projections. As the economy has improved, labor costs and material costs will go up. Even if projected at $40 million, the final price could prove much higher indeed.

Aug 22, 2013 11:30 AM

Sounds set to move to Sulphur Dell?

The Tennessean with the big news of the evening: that the mayor's office is in discussions with the state (and each side offers different interpretations of how deep those discussions are) on an $80 million development between Third and Fifth Avenues along Jackson in what was the broader Sulphur Dell area back in the olden times.

No word yet on how we're paying for this, though smart speculation is that there will be some TIF involved.

Highlights from Rau and Garrison:

• The $80M total project cost includes a $40M stadium, a $10M Metro-financed parking garage (which will be used by state employees in exchange for the 13 acres of state-owned land needed for the 20 acre project) and a $30M private residential development.

• The proposal could be unveiled at the Sept. 12 state building commission meeting, which kicks off an ambitious timeline that would have the project ready for Opening Day 2015, mere months before Mayor Dean's term is exhausted.

• Also in the plans are references to a new Tennessee State Museum site and new locations for the state library and archives.

Aug 22, 2013 6:11 AM

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Titans get more valuable, still can't keep up with the (Jerry) Joneses

Forbes  has the annual run-down of NFL franchise valuation. The Titans come in right in the meaty middle of the pack at 19th, worth $1.055 billion, per the magazine's infamously SWAG-gy calculations.

Revenues grew a paltry amount — about $8 million year-over-year — and operating income, similarly, just blipped up — about $200,000 more than 2012. Still, the total value of the franchise grew by 4 percent — the league average was 5 percent and the Cowboys, the team at the top, grew by a boffo 10 percent.

Aug 14, 2013 10:43 AM

Preds renew ECHL affiliate deal

The Cincinnati Cyclones ice hockey team, which plays in the third-tier ECHL, has renewed its affiliation agreement with the Nashville Predators and Florida Panthers organizations for the upcoming season. The Preds have been one of the club's parent organizations since 2007.

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Feb 7, 2013 2:29 PM

Preds ink 'long-term' TV deal

Fox Sports Tennessee and SportSouth have agreed to a long-term contract with the Nashville Predators that will televise a minimum of 75 Nashville Predators regular-season games beginning with the 2013-14 season. Financial terms aren't being released for the deal, which covers more than 4 million households in Tennessee, Kentucky and northern parts of Alabama and Mississippi.

“To have a partner that recognizes the strength of the Predators brand and the importance of broadcasting in Nashville and across the southeast is tremendous,” Nashville Predators Executive Vice President Chris Parker said. “FOX Sports Tennessee and SportSouth are premier networks and this extension further solidifies the future of the Predators franchise. Following in the footsteps of other recently-signed early extensions with existing partners, like Bridgestone Americas, this deal is a great indicator of our commitment to providing our fans – who tuned in at an all-time high last season – with a first-class experience when it comes to their team.”


Ratings for Nashville Predators telecasts on FOX Sports Tennessee and SportSouth increased 40 percent from the 2010-11 season to the 2011-12 season. The team’s 5.2 rating on SportSouth for Game Five of the 2012 Western Conference Quarterfinals against Detroit was the highest TV rating for a playoff game in franchise history, reaching 53,000 households. Keeping consistent with last year’s success, the Predators are averaging a 1.7 rating through the first several games of the season.

The release also promised expanded programming options and a new "semi-permanent" broadcast location at Bridgestone Arena.

Jan 29, 2013 1:02 PM

Preds' revenue-sharing status could change with new NHL deal

So the National Hockey League's owners and players have come to terms on a new 10-year labor agreement. Many details still need to be worked out, but Dirk Hoag writes that it looks like the Predators' relationship with revenue sharing could change. Meanwhile, ESPN's Scott Burnside laments that it took so long to find an agreement on what was supposed to be a "tweak and a fix" and worries about some of the corporate support that has left for other sports properties.

Never mind the rest of this season in terms of generating new ad money or sponsorships, most businesses have already moved into commitments for later in their fiscal years, which would coincide with the start of the 2013-14 NHL season.

McDonald's (in the United States) was supposed to be a key NHL sponsor with an ad campaign tied to the Winter Classic, All-Star Game and other high-profile events, but it moved on and signed a two-year deal with the NFL after the lockout started.

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Jan 6, 2013 10:26 PM